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Renegade wrote:Screens please

Bump

i will update the topic later with screens.

instead of opening another topic i might as well edit this topic.

I spend less time on the skybox this time, as I tried to not distract the player too much. It might get updated.
More details are in readme file. All is about jumpinp and landing correctly.




http://crystalunreal.com/Iframes/Downlo ... lRocks.rar
http://crystalunreal.com/Iframes/Downlo ... lRocks.zip

Yes, this is a fun map

My main comment is that the 'void' does not seem to be a kill zone or, at least, not all of it is, in that it is possible to fall or be pushed/shot off a space island and land on something solid but invisible - don't think this applies all over the 'void' though. In my first game, the bots on my team all disappeared but didn't die and in the next game I got pushed off and landed on something but couldn't move. I was playing with a lot of health but that normally should't have this effect.

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There is also an invisible but solid ring beneath the space islands and it is possible to land on it without dying and move around it - in fact some batttles between bots took place here.

OjitroC wrote:Yes, this is a fun map

My main comment is that the 'void' does not seem to be a kill zone or, at least, not all of it is, in that it is possible to fall or be pushed/shot off a space island and land on something solid but invisible - don't think this applies all over the 'void' though. In my first game, the bots on my team all disappeared but didn't die and in the next game I got pushed off and landed on something but couldn't move. I was playing with a lot of health but that normally should't have this effect.

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There is also an invisible but solid ring beneath the space islands and it is possible to land on it without dying and move around it - in fact some batttles between bots took place here.

Thanks for your reply!

I've been testing this map for over an hour lol, I could not get that happen.
Under the island(s) there is simple nothing, like nothing at all.
Weird. I'll look into it.

Probably not worth worrying about as it may only happen in one particular part of the map and/or because I was playing with a lot of health.

I see that players/bots, when falling off the space islands, are killed by falling to the bottom of the map, hence the death message "... left a small crater". Perhaps zoning everything under the space islands as a Vacuum Zone would be more appropriate (since the islands are in a vacuum) and would address any anomalous areas where it might be possible to survive a fall/being pushed?

I get what you mean about using the kickers in the right way as it is certainly possible to incur a lot of damage doing it the wrong way - that is part of the fun, as is watching the bots bouncing on the turbo jumper.


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I've worked out what has been happening. Hitting the bottom of the map results in a health hit of around 400, so if one is playing with a health mutator and has more health than that, one survives. What I thought was an anomalous area is actually the bottom of the map.

CTF-CrystalRocks
Pros:
- Nice environment;
- Not a bad mapping idea.
Cons:
- Bot lost - Flags are not linked at all - Usage of a correct jumping = CTF-Lucius. A JumpSpot SOLO = Useless. Also there is an example CTF-300k-w00tious about using jumping stuff;
- Missing proper Kill-Zone (that's a camping spot not a threat) - Usage of a kill-zone = CTF-Face, CTF-Lucius, etc.

The flag is not linked? Weird I was pretty sure I saw bots taking the flags.

I see the problem already. The editor was crashing after time, so reinstalled UT but I re-opened accidentally an old file of the map instead the newest.
Crap.

Yes I forgot to zone the outer-environment.

Good points.

I will bring update later.

I like it if mappers and/or coders take constructive reviews into account and release error fixed updates of their work.

Played all 3 maps last night, took screenshots too but haven't posted them yet.

Super Short Reviews:
CTF-CrystalRocks
- Not everyone who falls over the edge dies.
- Jumpads from the middle area are too strong, landings cause a lot of damage.
- Bots don't leave their team's side unless following human player.

CTF-DONUT
- Bots tend to circle around map on one side only (unless following a human player) both teams.

CTF-BackAlly
- Psychotically fun.
- Very intense action.

For donut & backalley I had to use the FullyLoaded mutator to give all players weapons.

Updated CTF-CrystalRocks

http://crystalunreal.com/Iframes/Downlo ... ocksv2.rar

http://crystalunreal.com/Iframes/Downlo ... ocksv2.zip

Rest of fixes will be scheduled later.

This is looking good now - great fun to play and challenging as well. The bots are pretty active and certainly do go for the flag now.

May be it is just me but I find the jump-pad on the red side is variable; sometimes one does jump to the centre island but other times one just goes a short distance or straight up in the air.

Yes I had the same problem but that's one I can't fix. The swjumppad is not mine, so I used settings that worked for me and the bots in general.
The actor is a kicker and a teleporter at the same time. If you know the solution for that, you can have look in UED for that and change it. I don't know.

OjitroC wrote:the jump-pad on the red side is variable; sometimes one does jump to the centre island but other times one just goes a short distance or straight up in the air.

Terraniux wrote:Yes I had the same problem but that's one I can't fix.

I had a look at the map: what kicker has that behaviour? The "normal" one ("swjumppad3") or the "Turbo" ("Kicker0")?
On a quick view swjumppad3 (red base)/swjumppad6 (blue base) as well as the Turbo Kickers ("Kicker0"/"Kicker1") have the same setup and should not behave different. (On a short test play I didn't notice anything unusual; also the log is clean.)
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After some dozens jumps I can confirm that misbehaviour (got kicked up only), but I noticed it at swjumppad19 (jump pad leading to red base). It seems to be a problem of swjumppad itself, that under certain conditions the velocity vector is not calculated correctly.
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Barbie wrote: After some dozens jumps I can confirm that misbehaviour (got kicked up only), but I noticed it at swjumppad19 (jump pad leading to red base). It seems to be a problem of swjumppad itself, that under certain conditions the velocity vector is not calculated correctly.

Yes, it happens a lot with the swjumppad from the central island to the blue island so I am sure you are right that it is a general problem with swjumppad. The question then is, can it be fixed?