Replacing monsters with Male/Female Commandos in MH

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Replacing monsters with Male/Female Commandos in MH

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I'd love to know how this guy did this:
[youtube]9cUD55v6CCQ[/youtube]
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I have this map, though don't know the name offhand. Think it's MH-LiandriInvasion. The point is the monsters on the map are supposed to be various classes of Skaarj...

...but if you watch the Monsters count, the players are gunning down Male/Female Commandos and the Monsters count is going down as they get gunned down.

AND THEY ARE NOT PLAYERBOTS!

Is there an existing class of monster that looks like the Male/Female Commandos??
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looks nice... but maybe is it coded for this particular map only.
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papercoffee wrote:maybe is it coded for this particular map only.
Maybe, but it'd still be nice to know... cuz if it's something basic enough then the monster/soldiers could be used on other maps and re-skinned however any mapper would like.

And i'd like!
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There are 2 versions of this:
1. MH-LiandriInvasion, which is the skaarj version. http://medor.no-ip.org/Maps/MonsterHunt ... vasion.zip
2. The Commando filled version, however, is called Liandri Conflict. http://medor.no-ip.org/Maps/MonsterHunt ... lictv2.zip
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If I home I write a tutorial how you can make monsters like this.
You can make monster from every model or skin ;)
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ASLYE702 wrote:If I home I write a tutorial how you can make monsters like this.
You can make monster from every model or skin ;)
Even books?
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Yes, even books.

The problem is that the logfiles will fill with errors. This mainly comes from animation calls. The way it works is that the base monster class (scriptedpawn) makes certain animation calls to the model for different situations. If it knows the monster is running it will call the running animation. If the monster was killed it will play the death animation(s). Specific monsters have specific animations too like the Skaarj hair-flip.

If your model does not contain those animations then it will 'freeze' for a moment and an error will be generated into the logfile. Enough of these can destabilize a server and certain animations that call other animations will cause the monster to totally lock up if they are called.

My advice? Yeah you can replace models but you better know what you are doing. Otherwise what seems semi-ok in home testing will fail terribly online and spam the server with huge logfiles (yep, I've done it). There are any number of alternatives here, one of the better ones I might suggest would be the bone looking opponents in the MH ship map that was discussed last week. IIRC those are subclasses ripped from the 7bullets mod but that's how you need to do it.

Now back to your book idea. If you really wanted to use a book you would assign all the default animations into a new book model import. This is much simpler than it sounds as all the animations would be a single frame, the frame used to import the book mesh itself. I used to keep a list of all the default anims (there are more than you think) as well as the specific ones for each model (like the gasbag's hand movements) to make sure I had assigned everything and created no errors. One of the things I was most ashamed of was that I messed this up in Alucard's RobotFactory map. I didn't assign all the anims for the flying impbot and it throws errors at times. I hadn't fully learned all this though but now I do and that's why I'm explaining it here.

Once you properly assign the animation calls you can use any model for any monster. Think of it along the lines of my silly redeemer mod. I replaced the warhead with any number of weird models and it all worked fine as long as you do it right. You will just be limited in what the model can 'do' given it's built-in animations.
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Wow ...very good read.
So it is doable but you have to make the "book" new and have to implement all the possible animations of the monster you want to replace. interesting.

And your Ridiculous'Deemer is still the best.
I used it in the Bounce maps ...what a insane fight.
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Be kinda cool to skin some pupae as books, if when you killed them pages flew everywhere.
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EvilGrins wrote:Be kinda cool to skin some pupae as books, if when you killed them pages flew everywhere.
And Flies.

omg... OK imagine this...
In a library themed MH map ...thousands of books attacking you, crawling and flying towards you.
And the Master/Boss of this map would be The Librarian. He/She jumps around between the bookshelfs and fires exploding books at you ...You would never know if a book is a Monster or a Projectile.
:loool: :thuup:

I know it's insane ...but this sounds fun.
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papercoffee wrote:I know it's insane ...but this sounds fun.
I think this is how they make Disney movies.
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EvilGrins wrote:
papercoffee wrote:I know it's insane ...but this sounds fun.
I think this is how they make Disney movies.
Oh c'mon ...don't draw the Disney card ...only a handful are fun and even lesser are insane.
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papercoffee wrote:
EvilGrins wrote:
papercoffee wrote:I know it's insane ...but this sounds fun.
I think this is how they make Disney movies.
Oh c'mon ...don't draw the Disney card ...only a handful are fun and even lesser are insane.
Oh noes, you activated my trap card:
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In another note, yeah, you can make monsters out of anything, the problem is that some of them will trigger errors the moment you try them up as Jack mentioned, due to missing animations and whatnot.
Making a scripted pawn is not that difficult though. I think Creavion once tried a similar concept, but with the editor icons, as if the editor itself was attacking you, it was a neat concept.
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Feralidragon wrote: I think Creavion once tried a similar concept, but with the editor icons, as if the editor itself was attacking you, it was a neat concept.
Huh? ...was it here on our forum?
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papercoffee wrote:
Feralidragon wrote: I think Creavion once tried a similar concept, but with the editor icons, as if the editor itself was attacking you, it was a neat concept.
Huh? ...was it here on our forum?
Hmmm, I don't remember well. Now that you talk about it, I don't know if he posted it to public or privately to just a few, regardless it was a nice yet simple concept.
He made some mapping experiments of that kind back then.
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