Blinking Movers problem :(

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Blinking Movers problem :(

Postby rtg » Sun Dec 25, 2016 8:44 pm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V6eCrLI ... e=youtu.be

see the video above for example. My base (which i built upon) has NO bsp cuts whatsoever. And I did built it all under a 128 sized grid.. Any ideas?


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Re: Blinking Movers problem :(

Postby papercoffee » Sun Dec 25, 2016 9:27 pm

Are those movers touching bsp?
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Re: Blinking Movers problem :(

Postby rtg » Sun Dec 25, 2016 9:39 pm

papercoffee wrote:Are those movers touching bsp?


Yes.

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Re: Blinking Movers problem :(

Postby Hellkeeper » Sun Dec 25, 2016 10:12 pm

Both the mover's upper face and the empty cube's lower face are fighting to be displayed over the other. Move your movers 1 unit down and it wil fix the issue.
You must construct additional pylons.
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Re: Blinking Movers problem :(

Postby rtg » Sun Dec 25, 2016 10:28 pm

Hellkeeper wrote:Both the mover's upper face and the empty cube's lower face are fighting to be displayed over the other. Move your movers 1 unit down and it wil fix the issue.



Hmm, I just tried that but it didnt worked.

I made bunch of tests (removing skybox, placing the movers in different positions) and got bunch of random effects, but not any of them were stable. Even half of them were totally invisible. I have 45 movers in total btw
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Re: Blinking Movers problem :(

Postby Barbie » Sun Dec 25, 2016 11:51 pm

Maybe reduce the map to the problem by deleting all other stuff and provide it here for download?
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Re: Blinking Movers problem :(

Postby rtg » Mon Dec 26, 2016 10:00 am

Barbie wrote:Maybe reduce the map to the problem by deleting all other stuff and provide it here for download?




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Re: Blinking Movers problem :(

Postby Hellkeeper » Mon Dec 26, 2016 11:25 am

Too many movers moving at once (45). The engine doesn't like that. After deleting a bunch of them, the problem disappears. I guess it's simply a matter of not overloading the game.
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Re: Blinking Movers problem :(

Postby Metalfist » Mon Dec 26, 2016 2:00 pm

^Maybe the brushes can be merged together into 1 brush and move them as 1 mover?
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Re: Blinking Movers problem :(

Postby rtg » Mon Dec 26, 2016 2:45 pm

Metalfist wrote:^Maybe the brushes can be merged together into 1 brush and move them as 1 mover?


Good Idea, will try it out.
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Re: Blinking Movers problem :(

Postby Barbie » Mon Dec 26, 2016 5:24 pm

Sadly I was not able to find the specific reason for that flickering and/or vanishing of Mover surfaces. Reducing the amount as Hellkeeper suggested is of course an option, but I got also flickering surfaces with 7 Movers only.
I tried different things:
  1. Reducing brush sizes below 32k UU, because I noticed at another map that the engine has issues displaying Textures on surfaces sized beyond 32k.
  2. Removed all custom Textures and SkyZone.
  3. Transformed all Brush operations to "Permanently".
  4. Gave Movers different values for "MoveTime".
  5. Creating a small map from the scratch with more than 60 Movers: it has also flickering effects.
I reduced the amount of Movers of original map until no flickering effects occur: depending on what Movers I delete, the threshold for flickering effects varies, I got that with 26, another time with 7. Also the position of the Movers has influence on flickering effects.
Metalfist wrote:Maybe the brushes can be merged together into 1 brush and move them as 1 mover?
Just tried that and got same effects with it.

PS: Some months ago I run into a similar problem, see Flickering doors (Mover).
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Re: Blinking Movers problem :(

Postby papercoffee » Mon Dec 26, 2016 5:45 pm

Are the movers set to last in the build tree?
Are the movers in the void when you rebuild your map or are they on key-point 2?
Does this happen as well when you not rebuild the map with optimization settings?

I had some issues with movers in my contest map ...and I could only avoid it by build geometry, lights and path manually :P
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Re: Blinking Movers problem :(

Postby Higor » Mon Dec 26, 2016 7:15 pm

Pfft.

Subdivide the ground in 8*8 squares.
You're in for a surprise.
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Re: Blinking Movers problem :(

Postby Chamberly » Mon Dec 26, 2016 7:26 pm

I think those guys at i4g whoever does a lot of BT mapping with loads of movers would give some tips.
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Re: Blinking Movers problem :(

Postby rtg » Mon Jan 30, 2017 12:58 am

Hey guys, tnx for all the replies! Sry for being away and not following up, I haven't touched my movie ever since because of this problem. I decided to go all on it today and figure a way out, and I did it! It was a hell of a ride with thousands of bugs all over the place with no logical explanation of their cause, it just goes by random. I was testing even with 10 movers and it all ways made blinking problems which totally confused me.. The struggle was hard, I made 36 maps, and somehow I finally managed to make a scene with 75 movers by pure luck and I am happy with the result. Well, unfortunately these movers are too simplified, but the engine is stressing out way too much and it limits my capabilities with making simple tasks... cant do much about that..
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