papercoffee wrote:JackGriffin wrote:It's a little silly to say no external packages and design the contest around using a very large external, non-default group of packages. If you don't allow them you are going to end up with 14 Crypt2 textured maze maps. Not a whole lot else in default UT packages speaks to Chaos.
Hmmmm... I did see the Chaos decoration as part of the default files since UT-GOTY release. But in the other way, not everyone has the GOTY edition.
Ok what about we bent the rule to have better looking maps.
You have to include every external/exotic pack you use in the released uncompressed zip file. But not more than 4 packs are allowed and keep an eye on the 10 MB limit. In the final release we'll put the actual Chaos-mod in the zip, just to be on the safe side.
What do you say folks?
memsys wrote:EDIT: the reason is that myleveling textures for packs that are used a lot just makes no sense. that said, I DO think the community needs to discuss a list of essential packages, not just for this contest but for coming ones as well.
that way there is an easy way to deal with the to-mylevel-or-not-to-mylevel debate that pops up every time.
So... what would we consider as default files.
Isn't there already somewhere an index of them?
I'm fine with external packs as long as the total size us under 10mb.
Well, all the stuff that comes on disc1 of ut goty are standard packages for obvious reasons. BP4 is... a bit iffy as it's an official pack but is not part of the goty release.
As for "essential" packages that is up for debate. What do I mean with that? well, I am talking about packages that are NOT official but are used SO MUCH that if you want to play custom maps you are likely to need the packages as they are so widely used.
Why have this discussion? because at every contest this exact thing pops up. a bunch of people always end up arguing about if just standard packages should be allowed, if custom content should be my leveld and if widely used packages are allowed or not.
Now, if we as a community made a list of custom packages that we think should be essential to ut99 we can easily solve this discussion the next time it comes up. it also serves are a nice reference to find good/widely used packages.
If we do this then during the next contest we could say that all or a subset of the essential packages list would be allowed to be external and anything else is either not allowed or needs to be myleveled.
as for what I think is/are essential packages, all I can think of is uttech4. Admittedly I did not download a large amount of custom content so I don't know what other packages are used a lot or are good enough to be seen as essential.
Yes, I am aware that it's annoying to go trough all this effort but I think it will be a GOOD thing in the long end. I've seen enough drama here as the occasional lurker and contest participant, I don't think the endless back and forth about custom content with every contest is good for the community here or the continued survival of the game.