JackGriffin wrote:You know, I had this whole response typed out but I think I'll just pass. I don't want to add to the "confusion". I'll not bother you again.
Sorry if that sounded offensive, I might have worded it wrongly and it was not my intention to offend anyone. As I said I do appreciate your feedback, I am just a bit puzzled about some things since you didn't give me much details to work with. Crashes occurring during online play are of course something I want to eradicate ASAP, but aside from your posts I was unable to find any further detail on the matter, and I do not really have a lot of free time in my hands to spend chasing people around on servers to ask them if they tried my map (especially since those servers aren't very active most of the time). So it would help me greatly if you could clarify a bit your posts, giving me some more details that I can work with to fix up the map.
FraGnBraG wrote: interesting map, quite impressive piece of work (if you ask me, but I'm definitely an MH noob
I find the discussion interesting because I've just recently started playing MH, after largely ignoring the gametype over the years - And would like to make a map. I've not played many MH maps, yet, maybe about 30 or so. This one seems to be largest so far. So in terms of scale, is this map an exception, being so lengthy and with this many monsters? Is there any point to making an MH map nowadays with maybe 200 monters and just one end boss ? I was thinking of doing a conversion of that Temple assault (6 vs 6) for MH, but now it seems it would be way too small and tight...
About DarkWhite - The map did seem to work okay as I ran it on a host here. I did get a bit of lag near the end, but nothing that bad - I thought it might have been the sheer number of pawns. X8 had mentioned some problems with BOTs - I can understand what he means but they seemed to work alright (as my team) but they were all killed near the end. I played it with Nick (tom_cat) and as a "team" we got to the end battle together, but neither of us could last very long in the mayhem, even with the redeemers we saved...
Anyways, all good stuff
GJ X8
Thanks Frag, glad you enjoyed the map
Seeing a MH map of your would be quite the bomb, now you got me all excited
Size-wise, my map is a bit larger than the usual classic MH maps, but it is not terribly long. It does however contain much much more monsters than usual, I think that most maps float around 300 / 400 monsters. The main difference from the usual MH maps is that DarkWhite contains a bunch of weaker enemies (like the swarms of flies), which is why the monster count is so high. Had I used only strong monsters like Skaarj Warriors and Troopers with standard health the monster count would have had to be drastically reduced, to around 300 I think. Monster placement is something that varies deeply from mapper to mapper, since you can have bazillions of combinations and still have a good gameplay.
For example, my maps tend to always have lots of monsters, which are either weak (bunch of Kralls, tentacles, flies, mantas etc.) or have reduced health, all fighting at the same time. My boss fights have generally relatively weak bosses but with tons of minions. I did an exception with MH-Glider, which is a bit more standard in monster layout since it contains only about fifty standard Skaarjs scattered thorough.
Derdak2Rot is who comes to mind when I think of reference MH maps, his maps are considered classics and I think that they are a good example of monster placement. He tends to use Skaarj more preeminently, generally not having a whole lot of monsters fighting at the same time. He tends to have few but strong monsters, and this counts also for his boss fights.
Another classic MH mapper is Rob, which uses mainly few standard monsters without altering their health. He tends to mix the monster types a lot, but only in different sections of the map.
The main concern when placing monsters is to keep the map from becoming impossible. Once you choose the intended playercount, if the map can be completed without going nuts but also keeping some challenge then there is a proper monster placement.
I would recommend taking a look at Derdak2Rot's MH-HellFireV3, MH-Kroogar-SE and MH-LandsOfNapali and at Rob's MH-Kittara and MH-Miam to see some classic monster placement.
The maps that come with the mod (e.g. MH-Canyon, MH-Forbidden, etc.) are not a good reference for monster placement, since they are very very easy and can be finished alone without sweating at all.
Sergeant Todd wrote:FraGnBraG wrote:X8 had mentioned some problems with BOTs - I can understand what he means but they seemed to work alright (as my team) but they were all killed near the end.
Same with me - lost everybody. But hey, this is one whale of a nice MH map. Glad you're back in the community, DeathoX 8!!
Sergeant Todd
Bots are a bit buggy due to the size of the map unfortunately, I've tried to fix them in many ways but they are still unreliable
If you see them running in place it means that they cannot find the next attack point, order them all to Cover You to unstuck them. This is crucial when reaching the end section since otherwise they will stay in the spawn room.
Thanks for the comments, glad you enjoyed the map
glad its still alive
