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After I managed to get rid of all of Win10 by deleting files, got rid of the Recovery partition that win10 add, 450meg.
I moved all the files over to E, is the second half of the drive, from D to E
My current setup is old drive DISK0 500gig C
DISK1 I has two drives, D and E My newer hard Drive,
I did have to change the labels but win 7 was on the new C

So by copying from my old D to E
My files are on the new D , I am sure I will be forced to reinstall some games, see what happens.

What I did was turn off the first hard drive in BIOS, booted from DVDWni7, ,it still finds C or DISK0
So I just made it install to DISK1

Seems everything is ok, but here is the new glitch

After installing SP1 windows update scans forever, it should work, it's like MS is blocking it, I read some waited 24 hours, 8 hours,
Just so ridiculous
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Red_Fist wrote:After installing SP1 windows update scans forever
A known problem. Installing some updates manually before starting the "Windows Update" should shorten that process. (But don't ask me what patches these are - try a web search to figure them out.)
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I did also did some trounleshoot within windows 7,8,8.1 and windows 10 during a few years.
And i must say that windows8 and windows 10 is very good if you have files on the harddrive and YOU DONT format the drive the files are still on the harddrive.
But if the windows 7 suits you very good (system you ment to work with).
When you have 2 systems installed your Always can delete a windows version within windows see mine post above.
And take care of your files make a backup from several files you must have for keeps.
There are plenty of programs who can make a descent backup from your files.
There are programs you can boot from the dvd or cd drive,and you can make a backup from the entire harddrive.
Think on Norton ghost and paragon disk manager.
Those backup programs are much faster when you do a whole new windows install.
Buy yourself a extern harddrive and save the files from the backups to that disk.
It saves alot of pain and work.
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Barbie wrote:But don't ask me what patches these are
Now found that KB3172605 shortens the duration of searching updates.
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Barbie wrote:
rjmno1 wrote:...
:omfg: May I ask how many systems you have set up with multi boot already?

BTW: has it been mentioned if EFI or CSM mode is used? Depending on that the way might change how to set up a multi boot system.
$ or 5 systems i did setup in the past.
If you use windows 7,8 and 10 its all compateble with eachother but if your running a Linux distro it will be another story (very complex to setup)
Because of nthe dos based programs and the ext2 file format.
gtp file format was first used in windows 8 and is only available with the new eufi bios.
When you wanna use the windows7 or 8 and 10 You just have to install the windows versions on the same drive windows does automaticly a startup menu wich you can choose wich os you wanna start when your computer starts up.

But i,m personaly use only 1 operating system, why use more?
If you have files on your harddrive wich u use alot please make a backup so evrything is strored for future use.
In that that backup programs are usualy disk backup programs bootelble dvd or cd.
So you can make a backup without using windows, and that is exactly what you wanna have.
If you decised to make your files save please buy yourself a extern harddrive from 500 gb or more.
So that you can configure where the backup files must be saved, its in this case if your having your extern harddrive saving to that disk.
It also saves your windiws version so you can make a backup from the whole partition.
This use of programs and appz are much faster then a normal windows setup with installing (it takes a long time).
And those backup programs are much faster with copieing the windows or the files you did select in that program for backup purpozes.
So on the other way when your system just dont have to install evrything ut 99,windows winrar ro wathever programs you download for use on your own system.
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Re: Installing win 7

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So, since my first old drive was on channel zero, I figured maybe the install is because my new drive was channel 2.

Since i had clean out my system anyway, glad i did, so now the cables are switched.

I didn't really make it right before by changing the just the drive letters since it kept the new drive letter as a fake.

so i am at the point I have two updates you can't uninstall but managed to at least download 16 optional, and 4 critical, one being SP1

You see, it DOES find the microsoft server, it DOES work, but as soon as i put SP on, it won't !!

Now looking if there is something else to install before SP1, it says i won't get it if i didn't download the first things, but there might be more.

to top that off microsoft website don't work wit IE8, it won;t downloaf files with IE9, and thay ar blocking or eliminated IE10
it like GONE.
But IE11 seems to work without SP1 installed first so now i have to reinstall that BS again.
Plus this is my third try installing windows that works fine, but didn't do a fresh install with the drive cables switched.

I made two backups a long time ago, 5 friggen DVD's and windows won't let those show up either, it wont find them even with the rescue disk they make you make.

Thanks Barbie, i will be investigating your update as well

I think all they are doing is leveraging people and FORCING win10, probably just to track terrorists is what i think


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Windows will always install the boot block on the drive it sees as Primary.
If you do not rearrange the drive order in the BIOS, you must disable the drive you are not installing to.
Pull the drive power plug if your PC is being too clever and finding drives disabled in the BIOS.

Install Win 7 and 10 completely separately, then install a boot manager that can deal with Windows 10 onto the drive you want to be Primary.
Then reconnect the other drive.

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Stop trying to use any version of IE, or slap yourself each time you do, really quite hard.
IE Java and Flash are the 3 top ways to make security pointless.

If you have just installed a fresh Win7, install SP1 before you do anything else or allow it to connect.
Once it has finished SP1, you can allow it to use the net, but you need to manually add the update that lets it use the new update system.
To save yourself time, pre-fetch all the Win7 updates before you do your install, so that you can do network admin style updating.
http://autopatcher.net
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AutoPatcher
It will also fetch the required update to enable the newer Windows update, so you don't have to go looking for it.
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I tried the SP1 with no connection, the first install win7 was online, second was disconnected, I uninstalled and did the 900 meg SP1 offline install,
nothing worked.

so now again, installed SP1 from the online update, and not some other "update", it will flash a win10 warning type thing.
I did that the last time, and since SP1 wasn't installed it says "your system is really old" and has a "install SP1" button graphic.

The whole thing is so F'ed, Up !! Hell they put the stupid crap update so we just click, not play cat and mouse with 100's of files guessing what to NOT install first, or in what order. pathetic.

and I don't want to install any new browser until it has the updates., BUT !!!, microsoft don't allow that either since thier webpages force them to not work, EVERY friggen microsoft update issue webpage to show up, and the downloads should work, but noooooo. Other websites work with IE8, not microsoft.
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Red_Fist wrote:I tried the SP1 with no connection, the first install win7 was online, second was disconnected, I uninstalled and did the 900 meg SP1 offline install,
nothing worked.

so now again, installed SP1 from the online update, and not some other "update", it will flash a win10 warning type thing.
I did that the last time, and since SP1 wasn't installed it says "your system is really old" and has a "install SP1" button graphic.

The whole thing is so F'ed, Up !! Hell they put the stupid crap update so we just click, not play cat and mouse with 100's of files guessing what to NOT install first, or in what order. pathetic.

and I don't want to install any new browser until it has the updates., BUT !!!, microsoft don't allow that either since thier webpages force them to not work, EVERY friggen microsoft update issue webpage to show up, and the downloads should work, but noooooo. Other websites work with IE8, not microsoft.
On windows 8 and 10 we have a other insternet surfing software.Its called microsoft edge.
But windows 10 comes with the internet explorer version 11.So in other words you have to make a choise bewteen those to ,or there is still another option to download a other web surf program called firefox, can handle more larger files then wich microsoft internet explorer at all.

https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/new/

happy browsing this program can handle more formats and upload large files of data then any browser in the world.
I,m personaly dont"use it becouse i,m running on windows 10 wich comes with ie version 11. :tu:
There are also some programs who can detect the health of a harddrive and maby detecs and make bad sectors on the disk healthy.

http://www.easeus.com/data-recovery/oth ... doctor.htm

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use this software to rescue your files on the harddrive.
And if you wanna wipe all the data from the harddisk there are some utilities who can do a low level format.
So in other words you wipe also the hidden partitions and also from windows install disk so thats no option for you.
Then you canot install windows again.
I have also 2 hidden partitions from windows 8.0 and windows 10.
We are all afraid to loose that hidden partitions and thats why you canot do anything or you must be a super nerd and knows how evrything works with those partitions.
I have also 2 temp hidden partitions , but i have a 1 tb drive on mine system.And that drive was never full of data. :thuup:
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Re: Installing win 7

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rjmno1 wrote:...
I just want to remark two things here:
1) Quoting has the sense to make understandable for others what you are answering to. If you always quote the complete message, quoting is useless. Furthermore forum readers have to read the same text at least twice, what may be boring.
2) Your above postings may be well-meant but I often got the impression you don't know much of it. (In fact my toes curl while reading your posts in this thread. ;) )

This is not meant as a personal attack - just what I think about your postings. Take it in mind or ignore it, it's your decision. :)
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Barbie wrote:
rjmno1 wrote:...
I just want to remark two things here:
1) Quoting has the sense to make understandable for others what you are answering to. If you always quote the complete message, quoting is useless. Furthermore forum readers have to read the same text at least twice, what may be boring.
2) Your above postings may be well-meant but I often got the impression you don't know much of it. (In fact my toes curl while reading your posts in this thread. ;) )

This is not meant as a personal attack - just what I think about your postings. Take it in mind or ignore it, it's your decision. :)
You got a point there, but i did not knew you are a site admin or forum admin. :noidea
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rjmno1 wrote: You got a point there, but i did not knew you are a site admin or forum admin. :noidea
It's just for better reading. :wink:

Just quote only the part you are answering to. Or use -tag to mark the part in your quote.
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That update did make it work like as soon as I installed it I could see my modem lights. I had it set to download and install later by me.

but when I did those updates, most of them set it off into searching for upgrades and never install, even the offline update files.

So I am not sure what fixed it or not. Then I was thinking maybe by having the service win update, and background intelligence , not funning set to manual.

Maybe that is why the offline update started installing instead of searching. ? really not sure why it worked.
So whatever made it work to install that update, it shown me a list of updates almost right away.

After that I let it go, was 213 updates, plus another 24 after that, so 2 weeks later I can now re-install my stuff, and try to get some of my saved spots back in some games.

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My system seems to be working extra fast.

Not from a new install, or other things. I am sure helped but seemed the same or a little faster.
But I have two hard drives, one DVD burner, what I did was disable all the other hard drive slots that aren't used in windows.

Just a guess but it seemed to work really extra snappy now after doing that.
If you look in the device manager on all of the ATA stuff you can see the drives if it's using them from properties, just disable the ones not used.
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Red_Fist wrote:My system seems to be working extra fast.

Not from a new install, or other things. I am sure helped but seemed the same or a little faster.
But I have two hard drives, one DVD burner, what I did was disable all the other hard drive slots that aren't used in windows.

Just a guess but it seemed to work really extra snappy now after doing that.
If you look in the device manager on all of the ATA stuff you can see the drives if it's using them from properties, just disable the ones not used.
yes what you can do also in the bios is as folows you can disable ide settings wich you dont use.
And there is some software where you can tweak your whole windows, so that you can run faster some programs.
A program what i Always use is ccleaner, it helps you to clean also the cookies from your computer fingerprints and much more settings you can add ready to be cleaned.
Also what you can do is costumize your windows so some of the services what you don't use disabled.
How less service and active programs you have how much faster windows is going tobe.
But be carefull there are some tweak tools who can harm your computer.

a turturial about windows tweaks.

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happy editing. :tu:
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