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MH-2001][

Post by Buggie » Sat Jun 26, 2021 5:34 pm

MonsterHunt conversion for map DM-2001][ for DM Unreal.

Original: https://unrealarchive.org/maps/unreal-t ... c6be9.html
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Music play only on 469b or later. Because OGG.

Beta11:
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Re: MH-2001][

Post by EvilGrins » Sat Jun 26, 2021 7:05 pm

I have the original, as well as the CTF version... this looks cool.

Rarely get a chance to play MH with low gravity.
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Post by OjitroC » Sat Jun 26, 2021 9:18 pm

Yeah, looks interesting - will play it through properly later.

A couple of points :-
1 The mission info message seems to come up an awful lot when moving around;
2 Are there supposed to be those (what I take to be) portals on the ground floor so that one can't fire at the Skaarj until close to them? They flicker in and out a lot as well when they stand close to a portal which is a bit disconcerting.

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Post by Buggie » Sat Jun 26, 2021 9:26 pm

1. Without mission messages players not know what to do next.
Sad but true.

2. Which portal exactly? This map is VERY portal-intensive. There 25 portals. On section with with pulse gun window protected with glasses.
In original map there just backdrops, but now there portals for better view from outside.
If you able fall to floor portal, then you throw from station to space with change vertical in pitch to 90 degrees. So this exclude anything with pop in or pop out from this hole.

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Post by OjitroC » Sun Jun 27, 2021 12:16 am

Yeah, interesting conversion - certainly different to the run-of-the-mill MH maps - so nice to see. I've only played the first level in the limited time I have available at the moment.
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1. Without mission messages players not know what to do next.
Sad but true.
Indeed. I meant the initial mission message comes up several times at different places when wandering around the area beyond the start of the map - on what I take to be the ground floor.
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2. Which portal exactly? This map is VERY portal-intensive. There 25 portals. On section with with pulse gun window protected with glasses.
In original map there just backdrops, but now there portals for better view from outside.
If you able fall to floor portal, then you throw from station to space with change vertical in pitch to 90 degrees. So this exclude anything with pop in or pop out from this hole.
The warp zones on the same floor/level as the map start - I can see that they are intentional, it's just that it takes a bit of getting used to given the ability of the Skaarj to 'hide' in the warp zone and flicker in and out. It's also disconcerting that one can't take them out with the sniper rifle rather than engaging them at close quarters (but I suppose that's why the warp zones are there, otherwise all the Skaarj on that level would attack at once and so leave the rest of that level devoid of enemies).

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Post by Buggie » Sun Jun 27, 2021 2:54 am

It is Beta4. This messages added after test play with real players.
Current mission message repeat each 30 seconds.

This level use impossible geometry. So yes. There portals everywhere. And you need take this to account. With all limitation of portals.

Monsters aware about portals. But portal handling in UT by AI very primitive so not expect good results.

You can use this as advantage for hunt down monsters.

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Re: MH-2001][

Post by EvilGrins » Sun Jun 27, 2021 4:22 am

OjitroC wrote:
Sat Jun 26, 2021 9:18 pm
Are there supposed to be those (what I take to be) portals on the ground floor so that one can't fire at the Skaarj until close to them? They flicker in and out a lot as well when they stand close to a portal which is a bit disconcerting
Haven't played this yet, but is it a portal or is this occurring near the curves of the station?

The DM & CTF versions are basically a vertical donut with warp zones so that each place the map curves up you remain flat to the surface, the gravity on one side is opposite of the other.

At the edges of each warp zone, if you're standing right on it it looks like you're not all there.

Is that what you mean?

I played the old DM version with MonsterSpawn and MonsterMadness, monsters get confused on those warp zones... like they can't see you even if there's nothing between you but you're on opposite sides of it.
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Re: MH-2001][

Post by Buggie » Sun Jun 27, 2021 9:46 am

In original map paths broken and can not be used by Monsters or bots.
So portals is a problem on it.

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Re: MH-2001][

Post by OjitroC » Sun Jun 27, 2021 12:44 pm

EvilGrins wrote:
Sun Jun 27, 2021 4:22 am
Is that what you mean?

I played the old DM version with MonsterSpawn and MonsterMadness, monsters get confused on those warp zones... like they can't see you even if there's nothing between you but you're on opposite sides of it.
Yes.

It's that the Skaarj don't see you through the warp zone that is initially disconcerting coupled with the fact that you can't shoot them through the WZ. I've only played the map for a bit and will adjust to this over time and adopt different tactics to the obvious but futile approach of taking them out with the sniper rifle well before one gets into their firing range. So yeah, it presents a different challenge to the norm and this makes it interesting.

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Post by Buggie » Mon Jun 28, 2021 12:39 am

Beta5:
- Fixed way to trigger lift before time and screwed up chain of events.

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Re: MH-2001][

Post by EvilGrins » Mon Jun 28, 2021 1:45 am

Buggie wrote:
Sat Jun 26, 2021 5:34 pm
Music play only on 469b or later. Because OGG.
Stupid ogg.

Well, the original map didn't have music... so no loss there.
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Re: MH-2001][

Post by papercoffee » Mon Jun 28, 2021 2:48 am

You can force bots through a portal with liftcenter and liftexits.
I'm fixing one of my maps which had these problems as well.

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Post by Buggie » Mon Jun 28, 2021 4:52 am

Yep. this is good idea. Because usually all walk only on one point. It is predictable and can be spot for killing.

Automatically merged

EvilGrins wrote:
Mon Jun 28, 2021 1:45 am
Buggie wrote:
Sat Jun 26, 2021 5:34 pm
Music play only on 469b or later. Because OGG.
Stupid ogg.

Well, the original map didn't have music... so no loss there.
This music from movie.

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Re: MH-2001][

Post by sektor2111 » Mon Jun 28, 2021 6:13 am

papercoffee wrote:
Mon Jun 28, 2021 2:48 am
You can force bots through a portal with liftcenter and liftexits.
I'm fixing one of my maps which had these problems as well.
Or connecting manually paths through warps without any Sci-Fi action but using Editor Adds and UScript or not UScript.
- U227 allows forced paths
- XCGE allows forced Paths
If you want to see Pawn using Your Paths, WarpZoneMarkers should have increased Cost/ExtraCost because they have 100 length and combo has 500 and here we talk about Entry and Exit = 500 + 500 = 1000 which is way longer than 100, or don't do warps yet, make paths, then setup warps Post-Pathing for preventing Warps from being mapped, I'm not sure if Editor won't mess warps this way but it worth checking. If not, manual control always does exactly what is needed out of Editor's bitching. Either way Moving WarpZoneMarker post-pathing can be helpful, etc.

Slow minded monsters won't navigate through R_Special warps... unless you are sektor2111. If you need sliths and pupaes hunting/roaming through warps you need to edit ReachSpecs accordingly... points + for UGold227 h,i and PathsLinker.

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Re: MH-2001][

Post by EvilGrins » Mon Jun 28, 2021 8:31 am

Buggie wrote:
Mon Jun 28, 2021 4:52 am
Yep. this is good idea. Because usually all walk only on one point. It is predictable and can be spot for killing.

Automatically merged

EvilGrins wrote:
Mon Jun 28, 2021 1:45 am
Buggie wrote:
Sat Jun 26, 2021 5:34 pm
Music play only on 469b or later. Because OGG.
Stupid ogg.

Well, the original map didn't have music... so no loss there.
This music from movie.
Doesn't matter, I won't be able to hear it. I didn't get 469.
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